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Wisconsin Clean Elections Coalition

Promoting fair elections for all parties and candidates

eNewsletter #41

May 2, 2007

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Think about it. If our politicians were not beholden to the insurance industry that helps fund their campaigns, we'd have fixed our health care system years ago! (And we wouldn't need this newsletter.)   

In this issue:

1) Health Care

2) All that can be said about Campaign Reform

3) Medicare Advantage

4) Trying to make Sense of Sensenbrenner!

5) Tidbits 

6) Give me a Break!

7) Book recommendations

8)  Contact Information

9)  Removal instructions
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Health Care

The Health of Nations - By Ezra Klein

Here's how Canada, France, Britain, Germany, and our own Veterans Health Administration manage to cover everybody at less cost and with better care than we do.

Medicine may be hard, but health insurance is simple. The rest of the world's industrialized nations have already figured it out, and done so without leaving 45 million of their countrymen uninsured and 16 million or so underinsured, and without letting costs spiral into the stratosphere and severely threaten their national economies.

Even better, these successes are not secret, and the mechanisms not unknown. Ask health researchers what should be done, and they will sigh and suggest something akin to what France or Germany does. Ask them what they think can be done, and their desperation to evade the opposition of the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry and conservatives and manufacturers and all the rest will leave them stammering out buzzwords and workarounds, regional purchasing alliances and health savings accounts. The subject's famed complexity is a function of the forces protecting the status quo, not the issue itself.

Now online HERE.
 

Comment from a subscriber on the Ezra Klein article:

Ezra Klein (American Prospect) left out some important information on the National Health System in the UK.  It’s the serious problem with queue-jumping which has plagued the NHS since almost the beginning.

Because the NHS operates alongside a private insurance system which reimburses at a higher rate than the public service, many NHS  patients are forced to wait and wait and wait for service, while the privately insured get placed in the front of the queue, both for outpatient and hospital services.  When we lived in Wales, my oldest son used to bus from London over the Aberystwyth to see a doctor.  The queue jumping problem is severe only in urban areas.

The same fault line exists in New Zealand and Australia.  I know so little about the French system I have no idea of the practical effect of the dual systems on French patients.

Canadian developers of Canadian Medicare were aware of the unfair and undesirable impact of permitting duplicate private health insurance, so forbade physicians receiving Medicare reimbursements [from] also accepting private insurance reimbursements.

A physician wishing to serve privately insured patients must “opt out” of the Canadian Medicare system. As of 31 March 2004, no doctors had opted out of the public plan in Alberta, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Saskatchewan.  In comparison, 6 doctors had opted out in British Columbia, 129 in Ontario and 97 in Quebec.  For a number of reasons, the overwhelming number of Canadian physicians choose to remain in the Medicare system.

If Mr. Klein were more knowledgeable about the weakness in the UK health service he might not have concluded that the U.S. adopt that reform model.

We may already have queue-jumping here. As a Medicare patient I waited two months for an appointment, and I can't help but wonder if -- were I to have had a higher paying insurance -- I might have gotten in sooner. Canada does indeed have it right.


Poll: Silent majority for single-payer

IN SEPTEMBER, an ABC News/Kaiser Family Foundation/USA Today survey found that 56 percent of Americans preferred a government-run universal health system "like Medicare" to our current employment-based system run by private insurers. That is, they want a single-payer system. Among the causes of rising costs, respondents were most likely to name private insurance and drug company profits.

If this were a presidential election, it would be a landslide. Yet policy makers and the media dismiss single-payer by telling us the public doesn't want it. They falsely raise the specter of rationing and restricted choice of doctors. So we end up with schemes like Massachusetts's squeeze-blood-from-a-turnip health plan, which preserves the insurance industry while requiring individuals to pay most of the costs.

Why is this? The insurance lobby has succeeded not only in blocking single-payer health care, but in keeping it out of public discourse. We are the only advanced country with market-driven private health care. Other countries spend about half as much per person, cover everyone, and get better health results. Shouldn't this option be on the table?

Marcia Angell, MD, is senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School.  

Dr. Angell has an excellent book "The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It." I've read it and it is great. See it on Amazon.


Nurses' Union Stumps for Single-Payer Health System

By California Healthline, April 4, 2007

Representatives of the California Nurses Association on Tuesday said that state residents would benefit more from a single-payer health insurance system than they would under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's health care reform proposal, the Fresno Bee reports.

See complete article HERE.

Why wouldn't every nurse union support Medicare-for-all? The alternative, if we do nothing to fix the system now, is managed-care-for-all. That will not fare well for either nurses or physicians, let alone the sick patients.


Small Businesses: Don't miss this excellent summary by Dr. Don McCanne on Small businesses support national health insurance and the Summary

HSAs: So you think HSAs are okay? See this analysis by Professor Uwe E. Reinhardt at A Closer Look At HSAs

Comment:

By Don McCanne, MD

The numbers in Professor Reinhardt’s article cannot be disputed. The policy implications automatically follow.

The ethical issues raised require normative dicta and thus are beyond the realm of pure economic science. But health care reform advocates must interject ethics into the dialogue since the health of people is at stake.

Dr. Reinhardt’s objective analysis provides us with a more than adequate basis for booting from the forums on reform the HSA advocates who would require those feeling physical pain also feel fiscal pain. Once they are out of the way, we can then get serious about reform that actually benefits patients.

I agree with Dr. McCanne on booting the HSA advocates from serious talk about health care reform. These are usually industry hacks -- salespeople or investors -- trying to create a market for their inferior product. In a capitalist society I suppose that should be okay, but when you are selling an inferior product that affects the health of families, I tend to draw the line. At least let's not subsidize it. Importantly, when legislative attention to their product can only be generated by sufficient campaign cash, you know that it wouldn't stand on its own merits.

I've said many times that there is one, simple plan that provides the best care at the lowest cost, and that's Medicare-for-all. Our problem is getting there with all of the special interests trying to stick their nose under the tent, and the politicians whose campaigns are benefiting from their largess.


See where your favorite presidential candidate stands on health care reform HERE

 

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Campaign Reform

Our current political system

 

Does anything else really need be said?

Earth to Congress.... are you listening?

 

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Medicare Advantage

As I mentioned earlier, I was going to discuss the Medicare Advantage program more, but nothing could do it better than the document by the Medicare Rights Center (See the complete report HERE). Among the findings of the Medicare Rights Center:

1. Care can cost more than it would under Original Medicare;

2. Private plans are not stable;

3. Difficulty getting emergency or urgent care;

4. Continuity of care is broken;

5. Members have to follow plan rules to get covered care;

6. Choice of doctor, hospital and other providers is restricted;

7. Difficulty getting care away from home;

8. Promised extra benefits can be very limited;

9. People with both Medicare and Medicaid can encounter higher costs.


Medicare: To take Advantage, or not!

by Jack Lohman

Thanks to a little gift from your favorite congressman, there's confusion over Medicare and Medicare Advantage. Not happy with the simplicity of plain-old-vanilla Medicare (and the fact that insurance companies were left out of the financial loop), congress came up with the bright idea of introducing "competition" into the public system. They allowed private insurers the opportunity to provide health care services to Medicare patients.

For some patients the plans work okay. But unfortunately for the taxpayers, Advantage is 12.5% more costly than what straight Medicare pays, so the myth that the private sector is cheaper than the public has been terribly shattered. They do have added costs, like marketing and actuarial, which is the process of deciding which patients to allow into the system and which to deny. Thus we pay extra for their sales commissions and the cherry-picking that draws healthy people from the senior pool and makes real Medicare look less efficient.

Traditional Medicare is probably the only part of our health care system that does work well. It didn't need competition, but if it did, paying private insurers 12.5% more dollars is not the free market approach most of us would expect. It's just another government giveaway to private industry.

Medicare patients currently go to their doctors for care and the government pays the bill though a private administrator (which is WPS in Wisconsin). What could be simpler? You get sick; you get care; and the care-giver gets paid!

The biggest disadvantage with Advantage (pun intended) is that the government pays the private insurers a lump sum per patient, and whatever health services the plan can avoid providing goes to the bottom line in profits. Thus there too often is an incentive to deny services even when the patient is in need, or to have "pre-authorization" requirements that are easily overlooked by the patient, who then gets stuck with the bill rather than the plan.

To be fair, some Advantage HMO plans have tried to offset these issues by adding additional services, like limited dental and vision, but still these features can have tricky referral and pre-authorization requirements that void them. Medicare Advantage plans can also deny coverage when hospital admissions are not pre-approved, thus sticking the patient with a massive bill. That's great flexibility, but it's all theirs.

In regular Medicare physicians are reimbursed on a fee-for-service basis and they get paid no matter how many times you see them or tests they perform. But you are not denied care. If anything it can actually increase costs to the government, especially if the tests add profits to the physician's bottom line. But even while providing more testing, Medicare's outlay per patient is still 12.5% lower than the Advantage system, and most certainly lower than the high-profit policies. But we taxpayers are generous.

Our problem is not competition between the various insurance entities; it is systemic. A true single payer system, like the Medicare-for-all system proposed by Sen. Mark Miller and Rep. Chuck Benedict (SB51/AB94), would eliminate the gigantic waste of the insurance bureaucracy which consumes roughly 30% of health care dollars without ever providing direct health care services. The Health Security Act would cut in half these administrative costs, add dental and vision, eliminate co-pays and deductibles, and still provide coverage for 100% of our population, all at a lower cost than our current privatized system.

State politicians can fix the problem if they are willing to shun the delaying tactics being used. We've seen enough experiments; they must simply sideline the special interests and adopt the Miller-Benedict bill. Business needs it, and so does our economy.

-- Jack E. Lohman is a retired business owner from Colgate, author of "Politicians -- Owned and Operated by Corporate America" and founder of www.ThrowTheRascalsOut.org. He can be reached at jelohman@gmail.com.

 

As bad as Medicare Advantage is, the pragmatic side of me suggests that if we allowed this "private alternative" in our single-payer battle we'd leave a role for the insurance companies and make our single-payer win more politically viable. (Got to think of those politicians, don'cha know.)

At the moment 81% of seniors have chosen traditional Medicare and 19% use Advantage, thus we are allowing the private industry "something" and less to complain about. Though they'd clearly prefer it all. So far they have not shown us the cash benefits of the highly touted private market, already being more costly than the government system and promising to go even higher.

But I'd demand several things. First, they must provide at least the services of Medicare, and eliminate pre-authorizations and etc. Secondly, they must provide it for the same price rather than 12.5% higher. And finally, they must accept all comers and eliminate the cherry-picking and denials. That levels the playing field with Medicare and if they can achieve or better that, good for them. We can co-exist.

My concern is that in order to offset their marketing costs, they have to give up something in patient care. But if we can later tighten the requirements the industry may just decide to sit this one out. If we do that too soon they'll just stay and fight. It's a tough call, especially knowing that it is an inferior product being foisted upon the public.

A friend of mine uses Advantage and likes it, but of course he doesn't realize that it costs the taxpayer more and probably doesn't care. He also may not feel the affects of an abbreviated service yet, and hopefully never will.


But all of that said, if we can introduce competition for the government why can't we turn the tables and create a government entity that competes with the private oil companies? They aren't investing in drilling because the short supply keeps prices up. But with a public entity out there drilling for public oil that will later compete on the private market, increase supplies and bring prices down, you'd think that's exactly what our congressional representatives would want for us. Yeah, right!


See these talking points: Medicare is not the problem, it is the solution. Frankly, it is the only American health care system that is not broken beyond repair!

"If the government paid the insurance companies offering private Medicare Advantage plans the same amount it costs to care for someone in the government-run Original Medicare program, we would save $8.1 billion in 2008 and $159.8 billion by 2017. If Congress required Medicare to use its huge buying power to negotiate lower drug prices directly with pharmaceutical companies it could save $30 billion a year."


Official Wisconsin Medicare Advantage rules and information can be fond HERE, or do your own Google search.

 

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Trying to make Sense of Sensenbrenner!

Clarifying Republican Identity

By F. James Sensenbrenner

Congressman F. James SensenbrennerElection Night, November 7, 2006, exceeded all of our expectations. We Republicans expected to take a hit that night, but the hit was even deeper and sharper than anticipated. Gathered around televisions -- in family rooms -- in up-north bars -- and in hotel banquet rooms with political party faithfuls -- the sting was felt, heads were shaking, fingers were pointing. Republicans fidgeted as the results appeared across the screens, while Democrats likely felt the elation of winning the battle of vindication.

Instantaneously, the question "why?" was answered with, "the war." The unpopular war had slaughtered Republicans while the liberal, anti-war rhetoric blazed across the country. Residents in my own 5th Congressional District had unanswered questions about the war and their confidence was rattled. I listened over and over again to their frustration in my townhall meetings, and there were no reassuring answers from the President prior to the election. However, I am of the opinion that it was not, and is not, all about the war. It's about more than Iraq and our war on terrorism. As conservatives, it's about our identity.

Read the complete article HERE.

An Open Letter to Jim Sensenbrenner

By Jack E. Lohman

Yes, congressman, it is your party's new identity that has blown it for the Republicans.

Voters found out what "compassionate conservatism" really means, and they don't like it a bit. The words are mutually exclusive.

They don't like that it gives tax breaks to the wealthiest 5% of the population (including yourself), especially when those revenues are needed to fund defense weapons and protective vests in Iraq and health care at home. They don't like that it shifts those tax obligations to the middle-income folks via higher education costs (for one) and reduced services like homeland security (for another).

But then again, those wealthiest 5% fund your campaign and all of your "fact finding" trips abroad, so what else are we to expect you to believe? You should do some fact-finding at home, where you might not like what you see.

You can ramble all you want about overspending and pork, but when you block the one thing that would eliminate these -- public funding of campaigns -- your ramblings fall on deaf ears. And you clearly know that it is the corporate campaign contributions that have blocked meaningful reform of your illegal immigration efforts, but that doesn't seem to sway you.

And when you vehemently defend the pharmaceutical industry's Medicare Part D program, and the blocking of Medicare's ability to negotiate lower drug prices, we do get it! You flaunt the myth that the drug industry needs these high profits to fund R&D, but we know that their high profits are calculated after the deduction of R&D, marketing and exorbitant executive salaries. The public also knows that your congressional votes just might have something to do with the several million dollars in pharmaceutical stock that you own.

I don't begrudge you this wealth, but that's a conflict of interest I wish you didn't have. I wish you would not have refused to support the House bill by Bernie Sanders that would have required all congressman investments to go into a blind trust, where they would grow with the economy and where you couldn't vote for industries you owned (or were about to own) stock in. Even when Herb Kohl makes stupid decisions, we know that they are his stupid decisions and not influenced by campaign contributors or stock holdings. His are in a blind trust where they should all be.

And I wish you personally weren't (greatly) benefiting by the Bush tax cuts and elimination of the estate tax (remember; the one you call the "death tax" and everybody else calls the "Paris Hilton" tax?). And while Bush also stands to gain significantly when his parents pass on, the estate and progressive tax system is all Americans have to protect against the further growing of inequality, a phenomenon that will ultimately destroy our country's freedom and democracy if not corrected soon. But you as a congressman must correct it.

We've also heard your challenge to the McConnell-DeLay campaign finance law (remember, that's the gutted McCain-Feingold law that you strongly oppose). You could help fix the 527 problem by supporting the Durbin-Specter-Tierney Clean Money bill, but you obviously don't want to level the playing field for challengers. You don't want to spend $10 per taxpayer per year here, but you are willing to have the special interests that fund your campaigns walk away with $3000 per taxpayer per year in government assets. What's wrong with your math?

And your patriotism? You openly opposed CAFTA because of the jobs that would be lost, at least until it came to a floor vote and yours was in favor. In favor of the corporations that fund the Republican party campaigns.

No, yours is not the Republican Party I signed on to. I'm disappointed, and I don't like your new identity.

-- Jack E. Lohman is a retired business owner from Colgate, author of "Politicians -- Owned and Operated by Corporate America" and founder of www.ThrowTheRascalsOut.org. He can be reached at jelohman@gmail.com.

 

Recent House Votes (per www.congress.org)

 

District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act - Vote Passed (241-177, 1 Present, 14 Not Voting)

This bill would increase the size of the U.S. House of Representatives to 437 by granting the District of Columbia a full vote in the chamber and adding another seat in Utah.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. voted
NO......send e-mail or see bio


Water Resources Development Act - Vote Passed (394-25, 14 Not Voting)

The House passed this $15 billion bill funding improvements to the nation's waterways.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. voted
YES......send e-mail or see bio


Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act - Vote Passed (269-134, 30 Not Voting)

The House voted to give shareholders in public companies a nonbinding vote on executive compensation.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. voted
YES......send e-mail or see bio


(The red/green indicators are from www.congress.org; they are not mine.)

Sensenbrenner and Petri were the only two WI congressmen to vote against a portion of our citizens (in DC) not having a full representative in congress. Must have something to do with the DC population knowing too much about the behind-the-scenes operation of our politicians, or simply being more pro-Democrat. 

 

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Tidbits

Out of the realm of our major issues, but don't miss Clyde Winter's excellent essay on the recent controversy surrounding random drug testing in Cedarburg high schools, and especially read his April 1,3, and 12th entries and follow the links to Part 1 and Part 2 of the series.


Wearing The 1st Amendment (WDC)

The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments this week in Wisconsin Right to Life's challenge of the federal McCain-Feingold campaign reform law. The nation's high court decided back in January to review the case. At issue is whether the law's disclosure requirements and restrictions on campaign money apply to special interest groups when they sponsor so-called "issue ads" identifying a candidate for federal office within 60 days of an election.

See complete article HERE.

What is this? Are the pro-life people so intent on eliminating women's choice that they are willing to destroy our democracy in the process? There has to be a better way than buying off your politician. It is my guess that if the pro-choice advocates were raising more money and winning the bribery contest, WRTL would be supporting the very law they now want to have killed.

And besides, they are challenging the so-called McCain-Feingold law, which is more appropriately labeled the McConnell-DeLay law because once they got through gutting the more critical provisions we were left with a hodge-podge that the 527's ate up like candy. If WRTL really wants to fix it they will seek to pass the Durbin-Specter-Tierney Clean Money bill that will provide matching funds when the 527's go wild (which removes the incentive for the 527's to go wild in the first place).


Sick leave perk, hell. The Senate Democrats can’t justify collecting their base salary.

They ran away, again, today.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Senate Democrats Take Their Ball And Go Home…Again

Breske Sends Senate Home Without Finishing Work Rather Than Vote On Sick Leave Reform

[Madison, Wisc….] For the second consecutive week, Senate Democrats closed up shop early and sent the Senate home without completing its work....

See complete Blog article HERE.

This right-wing Blog by Republican consultant Brian Fraley -- a former caucus staffer when the sparks were flying -- just doesn't seem to get it. The sick leave benefits should indeed be leveled to private industry standards, but so should political ethics. Most corporations forbid their purchasing agents from taking money from vendors, while Wisconsin's political system virtually demands it!

I say double their salary and eliminate the tips, the tens of thousands of dollars legislators take in from special interests seeking government favors (read that: taxpayer cash!). By Sen. Alberta Darling's count the sick leave is costing $3 million per year. By WDC's count the privately funded elections is costing $4 billion per year (or thereabouts) in taxpayer favors to the special interests that fund the elections.

I'd take the former over the latter any day, but the Republicans refuse to talk campaign reform. It currently costs $1300 per taxpayer per year while the Clean Money program would cost less than $5. It would also level the playing field for challengers, but the last thing in the world today's politicians want is a level playing field.

That's why the 2008 election must "term limit" those who block campaign reform, and at this point that means more Republicans than Democrats. Once we have politicians beholden to the taxpayers, I simply won't care which party is in power.


When mass killers meet armed resistance.

It took place at a university in Virginia. A student with a grudge, an immigrant, pulled a gun and went on a shooting spree. It wasn't Virginia Tech at all. It was the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, not far away. You can easily drive from the one school to the other, just take a trip down Route 460 through Tazewell.

It was January 16, 2002 when Peter Odighizuwa came to campus. He had been suspended due to failing grades. Odighizuwa was angry and waving a gun calling on students to "come get me". The students, seeing the gun, ran. A shooting spree started almost immediately. In seconds Odighizuwa had killed the school dean, a professor and one student. Three other students were shot as well, one in the chest, one in the stomach and one in the throat.

See the telling examples in this Blog article HERE.

This is why I support concealed carry laws, though in high schools I'd be a bit nervous. Perhaps arming the teachers and a handful of responsible Jocks would work, but at least somebody responsible should be armed with convenient access to their weapon. Knowing a school is armed will surely slow this tide.

That said, I also support reinstating the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

 

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Give me a break!

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Check out this fun quiz HERE
 


* Thanks to Jack Teems at NeatNetTricks for these links.

 

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Book Recommendations

See other reviews on Amazon.com

Where Have All the Leaders Gone? (Hardcover)
by Lee Iacocca (ISBN-10: 1416532471)

Where Have All the Leaders Gone?

An Amazon Reviewer: Iacocca comes out with both guns blazing from page one, and never stops til the last page. Iacocca provides readers with a clear, concise summary of our major problems - escalating healthcare costs and deficits, a border that is a sieve, an energy crisis, losing manufacturing to Asia, leadership that doesn't face these key issues (instead the Senate debates flag-burning for three days, while giving no time to Iacocca's concerns), and a President given a free pass to ignore the Constitution and tap our phones after leading us to war on a pack of lies.

Iacocca then goes on to provide clear and credible recommendations for each of these problems, and along the way offers his own framework (eg. curiosity, creative, courage, competent, common sense) for describing/evaluating leadership and then uses that framework to succinctly assess Bush II and the major candidates vying to take his place.

Another major "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?" suggestion is that Congress take a year off and pass no new legislation - instead evaluate programs that already exist. Iacocca points out that the "War on Drugs" has consumed about $1 trillion, while little, if anything has been accomplished. And what has been accomplished, he asks, of maintaining an on-going decades-long feud with Castro?

The "bad news" is that Iacocca once considered running for President, but was talked out of it by then House Speaker (and friend) Tip O'Neill. O'Neill told Iacocca that the job would drive him nuts - too hard to get anything done (basically the same comment President Truman offered then General Eisenhower). Nonetheless, the "good news" is that Iacocca's lessons in leadership skills couldn't help but be invaluable to moving America forward.

I haven't read the book yet, but I just bought it and you can bet I will! See this excerpt of the first several pages HERE.

 
 

 

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Contact information

Lohman is a retired business owner that volunteers’ time on the issues of Election reform and Universal health care -

Contact: Jack E. Lohman
jelohman@gmail.com or jelohman@charter.net
Phone 414-477-8686 (cell)
www.ThrowTheRascalsOut.org
www.WiCleanElections.org

www.MoneyedPoliticians.com (my book: Politicians - Owned and Operated by Corporate America)

www.SmokeFreeDining.net (A searchable restaurant database)

Wisconsin State Assembly pages: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/contact/legislatorslist.aspx?house=assembly

Wisconsin State Senator pages: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/leginfo/contact/legislatorslist.aspx?house=senate

 

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